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* Area : I_UFO (I_UFO)
* From : Walter Bartoo, 1:3666/402 (13 Nov 95 11:53)
* To   : ALL
* Subj : The Future

Hi ALL: The future is Different! It is a new concept few have yet to
come to understand. It represents new thinking, new ideas and a
completely different and new life style compared to what has
previously been accepted as the norm. None of this is easy to accept.
But in order to bridge the gap of things coming versus things accepted
an open mind is the key. Many of you as things accellerate will not
understand it or why it is occuring. Those of us who have gone ahead
have already shuffled through the great amount of new things to learn
and accept. Like many of you, we also had our difficulty in
understanding it and accepting it.

The three star general file has been in my archives for many years. I
understand it because exactly what was portrayed in it has been the
wall many of us have had to fight because of the mindset of an
un-accepting public out there we tried to update. For years many of us
could not even relate our experiences much less share our new found
understanding and relay it back in away others could understand it.
Thinking, analysis and conclusion worked differently understanding Et.
Analytical thinking did not work at all. We tried to relay this but
kept hitting the same hard headed walls of logic. For the most part a
line has been drawn in fields of science and in every field
surrounding it. One side of the wall had transcended into a new way of
thinking and rational conclusion making.

The Old school was dead set in not seeing our contribution or
accepting it. Each time we tried to explain it we were rediculed and
attacked.

What has changed is more are seeing what we saw. So our small group
became more apart of the expanding consciousness that was in our eyes
finally beginning to gain ground and take hold and grow in size. This
was later we saw a plan we also were in. Something was changing in
MAN. There was as things went on a distinct difference in people that
was becoming as clear as night and day. We saw the human of the future
coming forward much like the leap that occured when the so called
missing LINK suddenly appeared that changed who we were and who we had
become.

Those aware realise OUR IDEAS will not rest well in everyones parlor.
But understand the Man/Woman of the future has become something
distinctly different then what was. What was is extinct! It will die
out as surely as the missing link changed man to human. We did not
create this, but we are apart of it whether we like it or not. Alls we
are doing is reaching out to others of like kind setting the ground
work we represent of the future. Yes we are planning our future and
our place in it. In doing we are trying to open awareness to those who
may not have seen what we have. WHY? Because the old is dead. Those
who can accept the new will be the ones who will become shape it, and
be the new. The rest will not be in it. I'm stating this because it's
true and the future does not mix with the old thinking man.

If your desire lay in becoming apart of the new and releasing old worn
out foolish past thinking then you may just make the transition.
However if you cannot open to new ideas or see the truths now coming
you will not be in it or have anything whatsoever to do with it's
creation. THE WHEAT is being separated from the CHAFF. The wheat not
the meek will inherit the Earth.

This just being one explanation of many concepts coming forward by the
new Man. Hope this helps everyone to understand that changes are not
always something to be feared. We do not fear the future! We are
planning OUR place in it! So must YOU if your desire is to be in it.
Otherwise live out your years in peace. We understand.

The Future man is not limited by closed concepts. He/She sees beyond
Earth, this Solar System, and far out into the Galaxy. Preparations
have been going on for awhile now to seed other worlds. Many are being
prepared to do just that. On the surface this is very secret. But
nonetheless it is taking place. What many in the old thinking thought
impossible is going full hilt secretly in many ways few would believe
possible. These new concepts and ideas are REAL. There's nothing to
prove in making these statements. The reason is those aware know they
are true. The rest will never know, passing into extinction as
naturally as natural cycles of dying have always occured.

That's it folks! Being apart is seeing it's here and it's time has
come. Nothing can or will stop the next step man has taken in
evolution and his place in life teaming outside this planet..

regards Walter.

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* From : Walter Bartoo, 1:3666/402 (11 Nov 95 15:04)
* To   : Eric the Awful
* Subj : The Earth Chronicles

HI Eric: Nobody is going to argue Jesus here with you, least of all
me. However the Earth Chronicals by Sitchen are a remarkable
historical overview of the past, mans origins and the great deception
since played on humanity by organised religions. Did Jesus want a
religion formed around his teachings? I think not! I think his
teachings if viewed and thought on in several ways reveal many
insights few have yet to see, and Sitchens work adds, not detracts
from Jesus and those teachings. Joes insight in these books opened a
door here in the forum that if with discussed with a open mind would
have shown you and others a deep dark kept secret. That is you were
created by extraterrestrials to mine the mineral wealth of Earth.

Back to Jesus, Qoute: Know Ye Not, Ye are God. Simply put those that
created you bred with the daughters of man. In doing making us like
them, in essence we are them.

Religion however is a go between in understanding God. In the bible it
states: Be silent be still, hear the voice of God. Hearing voices in
many religions states these are from demons, not God. Definition of
God: King James version of the Bible: God is Love.

Jesus stated the way to his fathers house of many mansions was Love.
Look at all the things have been cast upon humanity in the name of
Religeous holyness. More people have been killed, torchured, and
defiled in the name of religion then all the wars to date that occured
on Earth.

Until people realise they are what created them they are little more
then beast of burden the use placed on them by societies in another
form of stereo typing people into accepting away of life that keeps
them rooted in service to their masters and easily kept under
control.. Sitchens thesis proves and further exposes why religions and
societies were set up.

You have alot to learn Eric, alittle reading might open you to alot of
truth. It's out there you only have to seek it to find it, look to see
and open your mind to understand it. Joes contribution here was a BIG
one to awaken narrow minded programmed ideas of what really is, versus
the lies accepted as the truth. It was not written in stone but was
presented in Love. Something you missed completely.

regards Walter.

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A reply to Glenda Stocks from Walter Bartoo

-- Area : I-UFO -----
 Date: 21 Feb 96  07:39:00  
  From: Walter Bartoo 
  Subj: THE TIME HAS COME.  THE TIME IS NOW!!                         
        

 > I disagree, Walter. You make people sound like they are waste
 > products, and that it is perfectly acceptable for them to
 > experience being ground up and reworked into another level of
 > experience.

(WB) Hi Nada: They are being recycled because of their beliefs! Their
beliefs at death put them in the location where this occurs. Whatever
you believe at death is where you Spirit now free of the bonds of
flesh is instantly directed by your minds SET IDEAS and this projects
you to the RECYLING arena. Those thoughts instantly met and acted on.
Out of body you go wherever you think yourself to.

 > And "brain dead sheeple" does not honor the latent intelligence of
 > MOST of the human race. In my opinion, the dumbing down of the
 > human race has not ruined their capacity nor their capability to
 > UNDERSTAND, but has only filled their minds with garbage. In other
 > words, the people themselves are NOT inherently garbage, but they
 > only have garbage inputted into their mind's database. They only
 > need to defragment the imposed false ideas and deceptions, and
 > start filling their minds with knowledge based on their personal
 > experiences and thinking.

(WB) Exactly! That's why we were severely trounced on everytime we
tried to get across and through to them the difference between Belief
and Knowingness. Once the understood the difference was they could
deprogram themselves. Simply put by accepting things in a different
way, wink.

 > "lost in the veil" ones need someone who knows how to travel the
 > path into the veil to reach them, and guide them carefully to the
 > edges of the real reality - not do it for them, but give them clues
 > and hints, encouragement, research tools, leads to follow-up, and
 > glimpses.

(WB) Yes True! But havn't we done that over and over again? The bottom
line is the desire to get out from under the illusion and open to the
fire one needs to deligently seek the Truth. We cannot and should not
devulge the truth, THEY must seek it. If they do not, they do not
deserve knowing it. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE between awakening or
forever staying in the veil. SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!

 > AND, there are many more ways to COMMUNICATE ideas, than via
 > telecommunications, books, TV, and newspapers. Ways that cannot be
 > blocked, nor interferred with - and their are humans who have been
 > feeding our growing consciousness in such ways (and will continue
 > to do so).

(WB) Believe it or not I understand this. Think back about our long
conversations on thought creates, the chair and the real number needed
to change everything? The problem I have is freedom of choice!
Everyone has to chose! The ability to create absolute change is a
violation of everyone elses choices effected who have not made the
choice. This is my hang up in where I know you are going. Once there
you too will have to contemplate the above deeply. REMEMBER everything
effects everything else ALL IS ONE. Sly grin of remembering what that
contemplation revealed!

 > "LAY IT ON THE LINE" is a good idea, in my opinion. The sense of
 > urgency that prompted that call, was acknowledging the collapsing
 > timeframe. In my opinion, it is more likely the people who desire
 > to HOLD BACK what they COULD share, in order to use their
 > information as a bargaining chip to extract, money or information
 > from others, that would not want to lay it on the line. And of
 > course anyone who thinks she/he is in a position of CONTROL, would
 > also hold back information, with intention to use that information
 > to manipulate others. Indeed, knowledge is power, and information
 > is able to lead to knowledge. So, I personally agree that "LAY IT
 > ON THE LINE" is RIGHT ON, and is a Spirit Directive. Also, the
 > premise with which it was put forth, was one of sharing what one
 > was willing to share, and of others doing their own thinking - and
 > not a premise of telling everyone what to think.

(WB) Unfortunately there are lines drawn and rules in place in the
knowing group for both aspects of this in knowing and revealing the
truth. It would be easy to plunk down the RAW TRUTH! But in doing alot
is lost on the developement side to things seeking it, that creates in
every part of the individuals ability to discern it. The rules if
countermaned and stepped over basically stiffles future hints needed
to bring the rounded understanding needed into full clarity and focus.
Not to mention the effect that breaking the rules creates for the one
doing so and the action taken in return towards that person..

 WB> There is now NO sense in trying any longer to wake them up. We
 WB> must now seek out our own and then put our Spirits in gear to
 WB> manifest a World of LOVE.

 > Thoughts create - and a group creating the same thing will bring
 > their creations into manifestation sooner.

(WB) Yes and no. The manisfestation depends on minds and their
thoughts thinking exactly the samething. My thought about
contemplations came up with a different idea. Create a bubble then
allow each persons ideas to fill it creating the bubbles manifested
intended reality and purpose in the creation of it, diversity in the
many different idea parts then having created the whole.. It's called
grouping aspects of reality in a broader sense of their projected
ideas into creating that reality. The Wave form is all we need create
and it will attract likeness of varied thought, creating the diversity
needed to manifest the intended reality change..

 WB> They have failed yet another test.

 > It (the telecom bill) could not be stopped - not when our congress
 > does NOT vote the will of its constituents. Certain elements of the
 > CONTROLLERS' plans will play themselves out. Those of us on the
 > Middle Path are like people walking on a tightrope with a long
 > balancing rod, which constantly dips to the left and the right -
 > while we PERCEIVE all from the CENTER.

(WB) The middle path is the path of least resistence, period! On it
clarity exists by NOT being drawn into either aspect to the point of
loosing your functional knowledge towards your intent and reason for
being and doing. Once your attention is fixed on something you loose
your identity to purpose and become more easily manipulated to
anothers clouded concept that helps them create what they want, versus
your own idea of it. Thought Creates! So in realisation of this the
middle path gives us a more individual focus versus the tug of war
created by programming pro or con already going on, you might loose
your focus in the desire of what you want created. I think oneness to
self here is the point in thought creates where many can loose their
Infinite Source connection or become over indulged in the muddy water
of either side of the path, that can cause a wavering effect of going
off the middle path which represents and holds objective clarity to
all that is in a situation that could be greatly undermined in our
intent by allowing this to occur..

 > Each of these major moves by the controllers, can push the people
 > to become more reactive and proactive. As much as information has
 > been passed on the nets in the last few years, you would think that
 > supermarket bulletin boards would be filled with post it notes of
 > community meetings, and informational postings (like John DiNardo's
 > idea), etc. But this did NOT happen. And... the controlled media?
 > He heh... I am laughing... because as much as the recent mergers
 > indicate a tighter and tighter control - the more as events unfold,
 > that HUMAN BEINGS who are the media, will begin to test the fringes
 > of what they are allowed to say, and cover. It will all spill out
 > over the edges. We are witnessing the collapse of the old order.

(WB) So true! their faults lay in their intended projection that has
become extremely absessive loosing sight of any clarity to purpose
that will emplode on itself. Soon more will by necessity jump ship
from thier illusion. Isn't necessity the mother of any "NEW"
invention?

 > I do not look at it, as WE versus THEM. it is all US. We all
 > together are creating what is happening and what will happen. the
 > outcome will be a COMBINATION of our wills. The controllers will
 > take a step forward, and we will take a small step back. Then we
 > will take a step forward, and they will take a small step back. But
 > you notice in that scenario, that we ALL are going forward - with
 > our own wills. If we want to learn to honor our own wills, and if
 > we want others to honor our discovered wills, then we will have to
 > also learn to honor their wills. THEY ARE AFRAID. They seek to
 > control because of their fear. We allow them to control us, because
 > we are afraid of change too. We are all in the same boat, and
 > reconciliation is the solution, not dismissal of the so-called
 > "brain dead sheeple".


(WB) I was not dismissing anyone, or casting anyone aside. My focus
which you and others have also, are pushing a wave through the ETHERS
and in doing a back wake is created a suction that will in the changes
being made grab up and carry many along with it. What I meant I no
longer can focus on what is or isn't and now we must all focus on our
ideas of what is and what will be, and focus only on creating it.
Remember I said the wars for your mind. Those not caught in that are
free creative entities. Lots of then reaching full realisation of what
they are.

 WB> I'm going on, and I suggest you do the same. Let them create
 WB> their own Hell here, at the sametime we will create Heaven on
 WB> Earth in a higher dimension.

 > See ya later, I think I will hang out in HELL with them.

(WB) Ok but like me you wont be creating it, but will be doing the
opposite. I'm not giving up or leaving i'm changing it to something
else. Some though will only see what they see remaining fixed in their
illusion. The division is a HOLOGRAPHIC MIND PROJECTION created that
those who created it can then live in. They aren't separate in space
time but both are different and maintain there own indentity separate
from the other.

 WB> What we are experiencing now is the Splitting of the CELL into
 WB> two planets. REMEMBER the Holograph? The Negative on a piece of
 WB> photo graphic film is being developed into the picture of the
 WB> new.

 > As a holograph, it is ALL still one whole image, Walter. Each piece
 > contains ALL the information to form the whole image.

(WB) Nope! There IS a real division occuring. Go back to the Hopi
legends of different worlds and you'll see what I'm refering to here.

 WB> It is not the picture somany see. DO NOT LOOK BACK, but DO put
 WB> all your energy towards the separation into the love based
 WB> reality.

 > Separation <----> and loved based reality, appear to be mutually
 > exclusive to me.

(WB) Your Aspect reality Sis is as important as mine or anyones.

 WB> Those aware will now find us, and already understand.

 > If it means an elite exclusive club for the purpose of separation,
 > then, no thanks. When I posted my 4-part message of my plans and
 > mentioned survival, I meant to go THROUGH, not escape out of. I am
 > in favor of linking like minds to work for the purpose of
 > INTEGRATION and unity.

(WB) It's all coming around to the samething. Wink!

 > As a fragment or aspect of The Mother, I will not leave my chidren
 > to suffer through anything that I am not willing to suffer myself
 > in order to be close enough to extend a hand of help. And The
 > Mother is the most hated, despised and denied individuated
 > consciousness in the history of this creation. The parts about Her
 > that are neglected are the very parts within us, gifted from Her,
 > that we need to acknowledge in order for us to be whole, and for
 > Her to be healed, honored, respected and returned to Her place as
 > our Heavenly Mommy.

(WB) Sometimes the best teacher is SUFFERING. It occurs when nothing
else works or moves a person or a group mindset into creating the
needed fix.

 > Ironically a group of lightworkers could go and create their own
 > heavenly "spaces" but if the darkness "within" them is not dealt
 > with, then they will take with them, the very things they seek to
 > escape.

(WB) How true.

regards Walter

 > nada

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-- Area : I-UFO --------
  Date: 22 Feb 96  07:32:00  
  From: Ron Pappas   
    To: Steve Hudgeons  
  Subj: Re: Flip/Flop?                                                         
-------------------------

Hi Steve,

 > I don't think it was a flip flop.....I read these messages and they
 > come across as if they are fact and without proof...that's all I am
 > saying. This would mean that anyone can come on here and say
 > anything that comes to their own minds no matter if it were true or
 > not. If this is the case, why not ju call this the anything goes
 > echo.....I am not mad or huffing around.....I ju want to get down
 > to cases and cut all the bull.

Steven, I am going to post the rules of the echo again. If you haven't
read them, then please do. The founding father and mother of this echo
intended it to be just what you are referring to. Although it is not
"an anything goes echo" it was designed - and remains - a place where
people can come to talk about experiences, ideas, ideals, hypotheses,
conjectures, dreams, expectations, and hard facts (if they can ever be
found). It's a place where people come to _share_ and _learn_ and
_experience_ the connections and entailments of this massive and
tightly inter-linked subject of UFOs/ETs.

Please, Steven, I am not reprimanding you in any way. You are more
than welcome here. Along with the above there comes into play another
aspect of I_UFO which needs to be understood and adhered to. It is the
aspect of courtesy to all who read the echo and participate in it.
Courtesy and common manners are of utmost importance. Disagreeing with
someone is fine, but no name calling or inferences which are in any
way degrading to a person, persons, or the echo itself.

Demanding proof of someone is and will continue to be intolerable on
I_UFO. A person may politely ask another person to provide proof. BUT
the asker cannot demand of the askee. If the person being asked
decides to supply it fine - if he or she decides NOT to supply it that
is also fine. In fact they don't even have to respond to the request
if they don't want to. This is not to keep the info from getting out
there, it is to keep our participants coming back here with a secure
feeling and _freedom_ to become a part of this experience minus the
feeling of ridicule, doubt and other related problems.

You mentioned that people can come here and say whatever is on their
minds whether it is true or not. Good point. This opens the area up
and allows it to be infiltrated with disinformation. And to that I say
_wonderful_! Why? Because lies are based around truth. No matter how
big the cock-and-bull story somewhere in it there is a fragment of
truth upon which it was based. The echo is equipped with some very
intelligent and well informed people. These individuals are capable of
picking disinfo apart and in doing so reveal what is trying to be
covered up. It gets downright interesting at times. Stick around :)

You say you are a MUFON Field Investigator. Good for you and I'm not
being sarcastic my friend. If you are an investigator I ask you this:
Why have you come here looking for proof? Can it not be found in the
field? If MUFON has uncovered proof could you share that proof with
us? We'd all love to see some... It would be an educated guess on my
part that - and I'm saying this as a generallity of course - MUFON,
BUFON, CUFOS and the like _have_ found proof - BUT will not share it
openly. The proof they have uncovered has become "eyes-only" material
just like the rest of the UFO/ET coverup.

You, Steven Hudgeons, know there is extraterrestrial interaction here
on Earth just as we do - HELP US prove it... If you didn't know it you
wouldn't be here or be a part of MUFON. We'd like to know what tells
you there is...your option of course.

Peace,

Pap... Moderator I_UFO

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-- Area : I-UFO ----
 Date: 23 Feb 96  05:35:58  
  From: Joe Schultz  

...you asked if Sitchin has a certain number of books in his Earth
Chronicle series: Yes, there are still five (5) books in the main body
of of his Earth Chronicles -- plus two (2) related books (companion
books), for a total of seven (7) books. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

                      Books by Zecharia Sitchin
                  Published by Bear & Company, Inc.
                       Santa Fe, NM 87504-2860
                             (Hardcover)

   The 12th Planet           (c) 1976         ISBN: 0-939680-88-2
   The Stairway to Heaven    (c) 1980         ISBN: 0-939680-89-0
   The Wars of Gods and Men  (c) 1985         ISBN: 0-939680-90-4
   The Lost Realms           (c) 1990         ISBN: 0-939680-84-X
   Genesis Revisited*        (c) 1991         ISBN: 0-939680-85-8
   When Time Began           (c) 1993         ISBN: 1-879181-16-9
   Divine Encounters*        (c) 1995         ISBN:
   --------------------------------------------------------------

                      Books by Zecharia Sitchin
                       Published by Avon Books
                 A division of The Hearst Corporation
                          959 Eighth Avenue
                      New York, New York 10019
                             (Softcover)

   The 12th Planet           (c) 1976         ISBN: 0-380-50351-4
   The Stairway to Heaven    (c) 1980         ISBN: 0-380-63339-6
   The Wars of Gods and Men  (c) 1985         ISBN: 0-380-89585-4
   The Lost Realms           (c) 1990         ISBN: 0-380-76159-9
   Genesis Revisited*        (c) 1991         ISBN: 0-380-75890-3
   When Time Began           (c) 1993         ISBN: 0-380-77071-7
   Divine Encounters*        (c) 1995         ISBN: 0-380-78076-3
   --------------------------------------------------------------

BTW,  for  anyone who wants to purchase any (or all) of Sitchin's
books in hardcover here's the toll-free telephone number of Amer-
ica West Distributors (P.O. Box 3300 Bozeman, MT 59772):

                          (800) 729-4131

They  are  quite  expensive, in hardcover, ($20 to $22 each) so I
would  suggest  checking them out at your library first...or, for
those on a low budget, purchase the ones in softcover. Avon's #:

                          (800) 238-0658

This  number may be for bulk purchases only, but someone might be
able to advise you as to where you can purchase single copies.

*Companion books.

* Origin: The Computer Connection!! - Glendale AZ (602)931-1750
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