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Larry Bucciarelli & Mary Hopper, Passages from Personal Interview, June 23, 1992

Passage 1
Bucciarelli: Forget a textbook type of application. We should think more in terms of providing faculty and staff with programming languages and tools to develop their own materials. The good thing about cT is that it has an easy to learn interface. I found it quite easy to get into and I found students have taken to it without much difficulty.
Passage 2
Bucciarelli: I got this idea to see what we can do with this CT language. So I got a student to do just a few things on linear regression with it in the fall . And I decided we should try the problem set solutions for the mechanics course I was teaching in the Spring. The idea was that instead of cryptic or opaque solutions that you give the students, let's give them something on Athena that allows them to play with it, and interact with it, simulations. The students still had to do the problem sets. These function as the problem set solutions. I would put these solutions up after they handed in their problems.
Passage 3
Bucciarelli: These are all problems I made up before I decided to do this, but they are variants on other problems. I do a little pre work, to make sure I can solve the problem. What I do is go to the computer, sit down, and do them. I customize the text, in the process. If the programming language is appropriate, so that you can rewrite things, and you don't feel that you've lost things if you rewrite them, and you have enough memory to store things, why would you want to write things down at all? The advantage of an electronic medium is it doesn't cost you anything to erase, you're not wasting paper. In fact, it's too easy to erase.
Passage 4
Bucciarelli: I found it interesting to do. I was trying to do it in real time, I didn't have any student support. I spent roughly 25 hours a week on this. It was an experiment about whether it's possible to do this in real time. I think the classic notion of the production of computer aided instructional software is that somebody develops it over here, like a textbook, and then someone else adopts that package and uses it in their course. Well, I think that's the wrong model for this. That's not going to work. What ought to be available are the tools for faculty to develop their own lecture notes, problem set solutions, quizzes, review, interactive sections, interfaces with laboratory experiments, overhead projections, and dynamic demonstrations for lecture. What the resources should be are the programming tools and programming environment, and that those are to be portable across all systems, and the level of platform you need ought not to be more than a 386 or its equivalent. These are the tools that ought to be available to faculty and teaching assistants, so that they can develop in real time. And then they can develop a body of materials like lecture notes that are stored electronically and are easily adapted to different circumstances. That's different than producing a package and marketing it. Another point I make is that if your model is the textbook, then you need expert programmers that can produce the equivalent of a text, which is well tested and has all the bugs out. If that's your model, then you need a lot of resources. On the other hand, if you accept my model for what you should be doing, then resources don't become a problem. What are the resources you need? It's your own time, or it's a teaching assistant's time. If you don't take that route, it's not going to make it, because the resources aren't there. If the resources become the question, then it's not going to happen.
Passage 5
Bucciarelli: The real problem is not just a matter of resources, but instead it is a matter of changing the way people think of what they're doing in a classroom. I urge my colleagues to not just think about how this is going to improve what they teach, but also to reflect on the ways they teach now, and the limitations and the advantages of what they do now. There are a lot of efficiencies in the way we teach now. For example, what could be more efficient than the way we lecture? A faculty member puts in an hour preparing the lecture, an hour giving the lecture. What could be more efficient? Faculty are not going to change from this efficient system until they're told "yes, it's efficient, but it's not doing the job." We could be doing a much better job, and computer information processing technology could be a strong part of doing the job better. The faculty have to see this is possible, and they haven't been shown that yet. When you start using this technology, and then reflect on what you're doing, you find out what you're doing is not adequate, or has made some presumptions about what students are learning. It calls into question the whole approach to the course, both the content as well as the way you teach it. When you start doing interactive problem sets, you're not just doing the same problems. You are changing the problems. The problems are not the same single answer problems anymore, because the potential is there for making them more open ended, and for getting the students involved more actively. So you're changing, you're not just adding on something to do what you're doing now better. I think that it's only going to get into the curriculum development when you recognize that the content, style, and format that you are using now is all up for grabs. That doesn't happen easily.
© Mary E. Hopper [MEHopper] | MEHopper@TheWorld.com [posted 01/01/01 | revised 02/02/02]