Creative intervention LO12207

J.C. Lelie (
Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:33:32 -0800

Replying to LO11937 -- was: TQM vs LO

W.M. Deijmann wrote:

> If creativity doesn't come from learning, where - in your opinion - does
> creativity come from?
> I invite also others to respond on this!

I experience creative manifestations (products like PC's, paintings and
this text, belief systems, concepts, relations between people) emerge from
the tension between vision and current reality. That is why i answer your
post: i try to resolve the tension between my vision and my
interpretation of your messages (currently my 'reality').

> Answering my own question, I experience creativity as a result of an
> active artistic process in and between people. It's IMO a basic condition
> for learning besides the need for freedom.
> I experience active participated artistic exercises as very important to
> create learning environments. Many of our clients have pointed out that the
> artistic exercises we integrated in our projects proved to be key-factors
> for success. That's why I still don't understand why arts has so little
> priority in the LO-concepts and why there was so little response to my
> postings about "Arts in LO".

I suspect that we, as people, encounter problems in the
counter-intervention that may or may not result from a creative idea. An
original idea generates new meaning and thus fear; a creative act
challenges authority, even universal truths (remember the discussions on
the earth revolving around the sun? Or the idea of universal human rights,
already going on for at least 400 years?) and thus doubt, leading to
counter inventions like repression; and creating new meaning might
introduce new and different relationships, challenging old ones (like the
invention of the printing press, and, more recently, this WWW).

That is why i think we need it, why i think we like it and at the same
time, that is why i think we hate it.

So the creative act being the source of all change and therefore suspect
to all kinds of counter-acts. One of the most powerful being the labeling
of "art" for its manifestations. Clearly nothing "art-ificial" can be
"natural", and should therefore be treated with extreme care. To the
extent that we store it in vast houses called galleries, theaters and
museums, and look at it in awe. The message being: you, beholder of this
work of art, are quit meaningless, so do not try anything creative. And
right around the corner a child makes a drawing.


Open for constructive criticism is also this creative thought:
- flow with the current to reach the source -


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