On 6 Jul 96 at 23:57, Rol Fessenden wrote:
> > I agree fully with the above response. There is one more
> > universal value that all of us - deep in our hearts - like to be
> > truthful to ourselves at least. --
> He says,
> "haven't you met people who a) don't act consistent with such a
> statement; or b) don't give any indication that they even WANT to
> act consistent with such a statement?"
> == End quotes ==
> I think different people may have different expectations about
> values. Robert, your response makes me think -- perhaps incorrectly,
> so I am checking it out -- that you expect everyone's actions to be
> consistent with some set of values, and you expect everyone to
> consciously WANT to act in ways consistent with those values, OR
> they simply are not values. It is the 'OR' implication I am asking
> about. --
No, I don't expect everyone's actions to be consistent with anything,
since they are often situational. What I am saying is that to say that
there is a UNIVERSALLY held value pertaining to being honest to oneself is
disproved if there exists just one person out of billions who really
doesn't give a hoot about being honest to oneself.
I probably should have used AND instead of OR. However if a person behaves
in a way that suggests he does not hold to a particular value, AND does
not espouse that particular value, it seems a stretch to presume that he
actually hold that value. Except of course if one used the paternalistic
argument that the person actually DOES hold the value, but doesn't know it
yet....that deep down he values X.
Which I think is demeaning of the experience of the person akin to the
Freudian approach of interpreting denial as affirming what is being denied
Robert Bacal, CEO, Institute For Cooperative Communication
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