Responding to the excellent exchange between Michael McMaster and
Tobin Quereau in LO1838 and LO1814.....
On Wed. 28th, Tobin said....
> "I do not intend to separate the "action" or motivation from the self or
from the larger environment at all. Quite to the contrary, I see it more
as an _interdependent_ mutuality rather than a mechanistic cause and
effect. To extend your questions, I find it interesting to ask as well,
"Who is acting?" and "Who is aware of acting?" The answer in my book would
have to include the "whole"--the larger environment of nature, culture,
heritage, and spirit--with even the beginnings of an answer. "
I like what You have said here Tobin, and when I can, I try to get things
as interdependent mutualities..."arising together - nesses". It seems
easire for me in the contact between another and myself. But frankly, I
find it difficult at times..... it seems that the structure and grammar of
my language get in the way a lot... and there also seem to be many
conventional concepts which are so prevalent, that they act as barriers to
my getting things this way. Do You or any of our colleagues have any
clues about how to achieve this type of comprehension on an on-going
basis??
then Tobin said....
> "And, in doing so, also discover yourself as a player somewhat _freer_
from the constraints and limitations of that particular society... Perhaps
that emerging sense of self/system-discovery is what "motivates" us to
such profoundly challenging dialogue and reflection in the first
place...."
For me the intriguing implication of this discussion is the fact that this
notion of motivation just does not seem very workable and appropriate when
applied to others. In fact, it seems to me now as a result of reflecting
upon this discussion and my own experience with it in the context of
organizational politics,... that it is downright disrespectful...
moreover, it seems to be a disrespect which arcs back upon us in a strong
manner, reaping what we sow....
I wonder whether this fact (at least in my experience) is a result of a
process that when we genuinely attribute to others this "freer player"
quality, that it is also acknowledging in a powerful way within ourselves,
enabling more creative emergence to occur between Us?? Or am I off the
track with this??
-- Dr. Doug Seeley InterDynamics Pty. Ltd. (Australia) in Geneva, Switzerland e-mail: Compuserve 100433.133 and Fax: +41 22 756 3957 "Choice and Chance are One."