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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: datacad-dbug-digest V2005 #41 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:43:16 -0500 (EST) From: datacad-dbug-digest-approval@world.std.com (datacad-dbug-digest) Reply-To: datacad-dbug-digest@world.std.com To: datacad-dbug-digest@TheWorld.com datacad-dbug-digest Tuesday, February 15 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 041 The past week's digests at In this issue: DBUG> Farewell DBUG Re: DBUG> Farewell DBUG RE: DBUG> Switching to AutoCAD for a "Project" DBUG> Intersting Article - ADT & the National CAD Standard DBUG> MSP Problems & Editing Scales DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! RE: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! RE: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! DBUG> Wish List: Merge Forums Re: DBUG> New Message Board - no newsreader RE: DBUG> Farewell DBUG DBUG> The new Forum DBUG> New web forum DBUG> Re: The tale of two forums DBUG> OT: why I use two monitors DBUG> Frank Lloyd Wright School of Architecture DBUG> re: Farewell DBUG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:25 -0500 From: Christopher Blair Subject: DBUG> Farewell DBUG I certainly couldn't find enough time to functionally participate in two forums. I think I skim lots of the posts as it is. I can see DataCAD wanting to be more deeply and broadly supportive of the DataCAD user community, particularly as they how are the single sales source. For them I suspect it works both ways: keeping a finger on the pulse of the users and their needs and problems, as well as looking as a widely supportive company. I doubt they would have turned on their forum if they felt they could achieve their support goals with this DBUG forum. One might look ahead to some day, and I'm sure even Evan doesn't know, when it might the that he would want to pass the torch, or just be directed elsewhere, with little residual time for managing this great system. I agree with Larry: > I also like that DBUG is independent of DataCAD LLC. I think this generates a broader discussion, although I'd bet that the forum at LLC is still generated by the posters and not the hosters. Dilution of the DBUG forum content will become evident, if it is occurring. Or not. - -- Regards, Christopher Blair DESIGN+PLANNING 17 Mahaiwe St., Gt. Barrington, MA 01230 (v)413.528.4960 (f)413.528.2355 (e)christopher.f.blair@verizon.net (m)413.329.0618 DataCAD 11.05 W2K Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti Virus ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:12:27 +1100 From: JAID Subject: Re: DBUG> Farewell DBUG Josh Huggins wrote: >...I have decided to move totally over to the new Datacad forum > How about that. For most, both services should be able to coexist without time loss. Just broader convenience. (But why does Divide & Concquer come quietly to mind. We know we are the divider but who the conquerer?) - -- Ian Johnson RAIA Hobart www.JAID.com Mobile: +61419 248888 ICQ #: 9-681-916 ID: JAID Skype p2p Call: CALLTO://JAID01 ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:44:13 -0800 From: "Morris Stafford" Subject: RE: DBUG> Switching to AutoCAD for a "Project" You might be able complete plans with DCAD and develop a method to import to ACAD. This is only based on a single recent experiment, but I have hope after installing the DCAD 11.05.02 update. This is the one that exports XClips to DWG. For this drawing, Instead of using MSP, I set up a sheet file with Xclips referencing a DCAD "model" of details and section drawings on a referenced file. Completing the sheet this way has advantages over MSP, in the ability to pan and zoom the sheet, as well as add annotation. Very simillar to ACAD paperspace. I exported the file to DWG, and imported it into ACAD LT 2002. It was a nearly seamless translation. Very encouraging, a huge improvement over ealier attempts. There are some text and linetype enhancements that may be needed but I was generally impressed. A caution though, it is still likely lots of tweaking will be needed. Your success would depend on 'why' ACAD is needed. Morris Stafford Tacoma, Wa. www.loggia.us ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:14:53 -0600 From: Jerry Headley Subject: DBUG> Intersting Article - ADT & the National CAD Standard Here's an interesting: http://modocrmadt.blogspot.com/2005/02/adt-standards-out-of-box-for-us-users.html Who on the forum, uses the National CAD Standard? The last time I looked at this, it took a "rocket scientist" to understand it. Jerry Headley ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:33:48 -0500 From: "B. Eli Fishpaw" Subject: DBUG> MSP Problems & Editing Scales I have recently edited the scales in edit/defaults/scales/list. I did not edit any of the scales that I had used on the MSP. However, it did alter the order of scales on the list. So this is a possibility could be the problem. WISH LIST ITEM - M O R E CHOICES IN S C A L E S I would not think that it would be difficult to allow for more scales. I have gotten the knack of editing a scale on the fly. However, it may be the source of my MSP problem. I have to repeatedly edit when I need additional scales. I would like to leave the new scales I create. Howver, I have to edit them again because I already am using the maximum number of scales available. Whatever code is included for number of scale choices we now have could be increased with extra memory. Thanks Larry for your input. B. Eli Fishpaw (Architect) Lexington, Virginia, USA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Gray" To: "B. Eli Fishpaw" Cc: "DBUG" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: DBUG> MSP Problems > On Monday, February 14, 2005, 9:30:29 AM, B. Eli Fishpaw wrote: > > BEF> I am having a recurring problem with the scale of my > BEF> MSP sheets. I have had MSP sheets that display > BEF> correctly in the layout window show up in print > BEF> preview and print with details one scale smaller. > > I have had this same thing happen when DCAD was using a > different Scales file (Settings/EditDefs/Scales/List) > than the one the drawing "expects," and/or with which the > MSP details were originally defined. Could that be the > problem? > > __________ > Larry Gray > Lambert Ezell Durham > Architecture - Interior Design > mailto:lgray@hiwaay.net > > ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:30:25 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Pyner Subject: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! DE> Other opinions welcome, please. I think that MM has made a GROSS ERROR here, indeed he is plucking feathers from a golden goose. The DBUG forum has to be one of the greatest commercial assets DCAD LLC has. What's more, it cost them nothing to create and costs nothing to maintain. How can you beat that?. So what is happening now? The resource is being diluted. WE only need one message system in this solar system and DBUG is it. About ten years ago, there was a move to establish an Australian DataCad Users Bulletin Board. I quickly kyboshed that lunatic idea and have no doubt I did the right thing. Now we've got this, and hopefully it will suffer the same fate. If MM realises this and administers the coup de grace himself, we should all applaud. And what is this thing, exactly. Well. I've just has a quick shoofty at it and it immediately appears to be merely information that was always on the DCad LLC website regurgitated in another form. Why? God only knows, as far as I can see, it's just an aberration. Is it any better than DBUG? No. Could it be any better? No. Is it inferior? Yes Why? I have to go to it. The DBUG digest comes to me - and rings a bell when it has arrived. I can go through the entire digest in one scroll, deleting any junk on the fly, and then archive the neat remaining package. THoise whi get individual mesages can get even greater benefit to the point where it can almost be live chat. I have participated in several internet forums. None work as well as DBUG. Fortunatley none are as important either. I recognise that something like the Olympus digital camera forum could hardly work like MajoDomo because it can have about thirty threads going simultaneously but the fact remains that DBUG doesn't, so it works and works best. Nick Pyner ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:04:52 +1100 From: Philip Strange Subject: Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Nick is right on the money, (expressed in his particular style) I registered on the new system, but It doesnt come to me the way the DBUG does. Forget it MM. and the sooner the better. regards Philip On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:30:25 -0500 (EST), Nick Pyner wrote: > > DE> Other opinions welcome, please. > > I think that MM has made a GROSS ERROR here, indeed he is plucking > feathers from a golden goose. The DBUG forum has to be one of the > greatest commercial assets DCAD LLC has. What's more, it cost them > nothing to create and costs nothing to maintain. How can you beat that?. > > So what is happening now? The resource is being diluted. WE only > need one message system in this solar system and DBUG is it. > About ten years ago, there was a move to establish an Australian > DataCad Users Bulletin Board. I quickly kyboshed that lunatic > idea and have no doubt I did the right thing. Now we've got this, > and hopefully it will suffer the same fate. If MM realises this > and administers the coup de grace himself, we should all applaud. > > And what is this thing, exactly. > > Well. I've just has a quick shoofty at it and it immediately > appears to be merely information that was always on the DCad > LLC website regurgitated in another form. > > Why? God only knows, as far as I can see, it's just an aberration. > > Is it any better than DBUG? No. > > Could it be any better? No. > > Is it inferior? Yes > > Why? > > I have to go to it. The DBUG digest comes to me - and rings a > bell when it has arrived. > > I can go through the entire digest in one scroll, deleting any > junk on the fly, and then archive the neat remaining package. > > THoise whi get individual mesages can get even greater benefit > to the point where it can almost be live chat. > > I have participated in several internet forums. None work as > well as DBUG. Fortunatley none are as important either. I > recognise that something like the Olympus digital camera > forum could hardly work like MajoDomo because it can have > about thirty threads going simultaneously but the fact > remains that DBUG doesn't, so it works and works best. > > Nick Pyner > ******************************* > To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm > New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef > > ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:44:53 -0600 From: Robert Haley Subject: Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! I have used datacad since version 4 and can remember my excitement when I found cheaptricks and dbug. I have not posted often but, follow the posts as they come in ( not Nick"s at 3:00 in the morning). I feel that I have friends waiting to talk to me, and it would be sad to loose them. I don't know if I will have the time to follow two forums. so will stay with dbug, while occasionly checking the new forum. Robert Haley (Texas) ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:01:23 -0500 From: "David Porter AIA" Subject: Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! > I don't know if I will have the time to follow two > forums. so will stay with dbug, while occasionly checking the new forum. And, that's exactly what I plan to do. I just hope we don't lose a lot of our DBUG "veterans" to "the other side" to the point that our DBUG braintrust is left slightly brain dead. David Porter AIA Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA dporter@porterarchitects.com www.porterarchitects.com Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti-Virus ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:13:20 -0500 From: "Rashid Garuba" Subject: RE: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Doesn't the new online system have a newsreader function?? ArchiCAD uses the same system (looks like) and I use Outlook express which downloads messages on request.. There is some delay though but by and large, it works. The online system is much more organized and I think this is a big reason for it.. A. Rashid Garuba V: 770.242.7809 C: 404.422.5812 F: 770.242.0871 www.aaihomeplans.com I've stopped 921 spam and fraud messages. You can too! One month FREE spam and fraud protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/safetybarsig/?rc=kgwn3 - -----Original Message----- From: datacad-dbug-approval@world.std.com [mailto:datacad-dbug-approval@world.std.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haley Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:45 AM To: datacad-dbug@world.std.com Subject: Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! I have used datacad since version 4 and can remember my excitement when I found cheaptricks and dbug. I have not posted often but, follow the posts as they come in ( not Nick"s at 3:00 in the morning). I feel that I have friends waiting to talk to me, and it would be sad to loose them. I don't know if I will have the time to follow two forums. so will stay with dbug, while occasionly checking the new forum. Robert Haley (Texas) ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:10:10 -0500 From: "Anthony Blasio" Subject: RE: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! I don't understand why some feel this is a one or the other situation. I happen to really like the new DataCAD Forum and I still plan on using the DBUG e-mail forum just as before. The way I see it the new DataCAD forum offers functions that we do not have under this e-mail forum. Each forum has strengths and weaknesses, they compliment each other. I say give it a try and see how it works for you. You do not have to quit one to use the other. You don't have to use either. Just try being open-minded and try something new. Tony Tony Blasio ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:28:48 -0500 From: Neil Blanchard Subject: Re: DBUG> farewell DBUG? No &#@@?y way! Hello: > I have used datacad since version 4 and can remember my excitement when > I found cheaptricks and dbug. I have not posted often > but, follow the posts as they come in ( not Nick"s at 3:00 in the > morning). I feel that I have friends waiting to talk to me, and it would > be sad > to loose them. I don't know if I will have the time to follow two > forums. so will stay with dbug, while occasionly checking the new forum. The DBUG Forum has been and will be a great "place". But, there are a lot of folks who either never found it (some of whom have now registered on the DataCAD bulletin board) or did not realize it's worth. And there are a great number of people that I know who were (more or less) overwhelmed by the traffic quantity on the DBUG Forum. These people may find the BBS a better "fit". One of the good things about the Forum is the immediacy -- though if you post a question on the BBS that requires a quick answer, you *can* mark it so that you get an e-mail notice. The e-mail has a link in it that takes you directly to the answer. One of the good things about the BBS (will be) to better answer the FAQ's. There are a fair number of questions on the DBUG Forum that were asked again, and again, and again...these won't go away on the BBS, but it is much easier to point people in the right direction! The BBS has a Search function, and it has a "Find new posts since my last visit" function, so people can log in and digest things at their own pace. And as for the independence of this DBUG Forum -- I can't imagine that Mark Madura will not let the democracy of this group continue on the BBS. The value of a frank and open interchange of ideas of the DBUG Forum is *exactly* what we all will want in the BBS, and if it is not there, then it will probably fail -- and it would lose it's value to DataCAD, the company, too. - -- Sincerely, Neil Folding proteins -- what's that? http://folding.stanford.edu/ Looking for Extraterrestrials? http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:32:33 -0500 From: "B. Eli Fishpaw" Subject: DBUG> Wish List: Merge Forums I have appreciated the work of the Datacad Boston Users Group that have facilitated this format. I have benefited greatly by the input of competent and creative colleagues. Occasionally I am able to give back the same. I am satisfied with the email digest format that allows me to review the table of contents. The off topic discussions are often interesting. However, I may not have sought those subjects out. I hope that those responsible for Dbug and the web based forum at Datacad can devise a method so same input can be delivered in both formats. Ultimately choice is a good thing. However, the critical mass to keep our discussions lively and substantive is at risk. B. Eli Fishpaw (Architect) Lexington, Virginia, USA ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:37:17 -0500 From: "David Porter AIA" Subject: Re: DBUG> New Message Board - no newsreader > Doesn't the new online system have a newsreader function?? It does not appear to. One has to log onto the Message Board website to look at any messages sent in. Then, what I have done, rather than click individually on each of the topic areas to see what posts have been sent in, is that I click on the line at the top, right above all of the topic area windows that says "View Posts since last visit." That then just shows me all new messages, from all of the separate categories. If I don't want to read any of them, I just close out the browser and the program seems to remember that. When I log in again and click on the "View Posts Since Last Visit", it only pulls up new messages again and not ones that were posted before my last visit. So, for me, this method at least speeds up my viewing messages in various categories and in reading what I want to read and getting out and back to work. David Porter AIA Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA dporter@porterarchitects.com www.porterarchitects.com Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti-Virus ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:41:57 -0800 From: Subject: RE: DBUG> Farewell DBUG I am not sure this is a farewell Ode to DBUG at all. For me personally, I have occasionally gone into the Threads forum that closed recently to research past issues. The new DataCad forum will take its place for in this matter and I laud DataCad for providing this to us. Evan Shu's DBUG, however, is quite another matter. This venue has proven to be a compass for many of us lone operators. There is a suave classiness here -- There is, simply a 'soul' to this place. I cannot describe it another way. Perfect strangers have come forth and shared experience and timely advice without holding back. I am comforted in knowing that it exists for us Fond regards to all that make this forum what it is, Raymond MacFarlane San Jose, California. ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:55:47 -0500 From: "Andrew J. Tetreault" Subject: DBUG> The new Forum Here's my 2 cents. I just spent about half an hour browsing the new forum. It has lots of pretty pictures and buttons and smilies. It also has lots of opinions, comments, info and news. I think it will be a very "personable" place to exchange ideas and such, but it takes a while to get to the meat of the subject sometimes. And sometimes "Off Topic" seems to be the primary one. I can see both forums filling a certain niche, but I myself prefer this one. I can quickly scan the topic list each day to see if there is any relevant item I wish to scroll to (and there usually is one or two, at least). Whenever I have had a problem, I post it and usually within the hour I get a response or two in my Inbox! I'm not knocking the Datacad Forum, I guess I just like the instant gratification that this one has always given me! Andrew J. Tetreault Project Manager Connor Contracting, Inc. 1100 US Rt. 2 Berlin, Vermont 05602 PH: (802) 223-3843 FX: (802) 223-3888 ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:14:19 -0500 From: "Sheehan, Robbie" Subject: DBUG> New web forum I thought I would post my preference on the new forum. I have a strong dislike for web forums. They just seem awkward to me and you have to make a strong commitment to visit often to get any good from it. I always felt these forums were like instant messaging or chat rooms in that the only people that get any benefit from them are those with little to do so they spend hours at the computer. I sometimes have trouble keeping up with the Dbug digest but the e-mail format allows you to easily browse them when you do have time without searching archives for past posts. I hope, like others, that the Dbug forum does not get diluted too badly or disappears entirely. I may not be a great contributor (mainly because I can not respond in a timely fashion) but I am greatly appreciative of the info one can garner from the Dbug digests. Robbie Sheehan rsheehan at sheridancorp dot com www.sheridancorp.com ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:14:20 -0600 From: "Steve (Goodman Office)" Subject: DBUG> Re: The tale of two forums Hi all. >> I find it easier to keep up with the email forum since I get a >> tinkle every time a new post hits the mail box. Most html forums >> (Word won't let me type *fora* unless I put hickies around it) >> don't provide for email notification except for discussions where >> you have posted, so I feel like the html forum would be harder to >> keep up with and might cause an erosion of participation since >> it requires a visit to the web site instead of just having your >> mail program open and collecting posts. I have visited a number >> of other html type discussion groups and find that I don't >> participate as much there as I do with the mail lists. It seems >> to me that it just requires more deliberate dedication to do it. > This comment reflects my sentiment exactly and I couldn't have said > it better. I am responding to this e-mail to the DBUG forum about > 5 seconds after my e-mail program told me I had mail. I haven't > checked the DCAD Message Board in over two hours to find out if > anyone else has sent in anything that I want to read about. Ditto for me. I'll have to check out the message board for a while to see if I change my mind about it, but I suspect that I'll stick to this "KISS" (Keep It Simple Stupid) format ... Digest version. It seems that the message board might work well (for me) as a supplement if I am looking for something in particular, but looks like it would be much more work to keep up with everything that is being talked about. Steve Baldwin Goodman Architectural Services SRB Ventures Joplin, MO http://www.goodmanarchitects.com http://www.srbventures.com ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:47:18 -0500 From: Neil Blanchard Subject: DBUG> OT: why I use two monitors Hello: Here's a good example of some cross-pollenization (sp?) between this Forum and the new BBS. I've posted some screen captures of various ways that I use my dual monitors: http://www.datacad.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=43 Take a look at them, and see what you think. While you're there, take a look around -- things are just barely started... - -- Sincerely, Neil Blanchard Barriere Reeves Design 215 Boston Post Road Sudbury, MA 01776 Athlon XP 2100+ @ 1.92gHz 1024MB PC4000 2-3-3-6 @ 296mHz Matrox Millennium P650 64MB video two ViewSonic VP171b @ 1280x1024x32bit @ 75Hz 2560 x 1024 desktop :-) Win2K SP4 + all HotFixes - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:05:01 -0800 From: "Carolyn Bell" Subject: DBUG> Frank Lloyd Wright School of Architecture I apologize if this is an inappropriate topic for this forum. I just joined this week and I'm not yet familiar with the forum etiquette. But, I'll ask my question anyway. I'm considering applying for the masters program at the Frank Lloyd Wright school of architecture and I'm wondering what the attitude/scuttlebutt/impression is out there, in the architecture world, about that school and it's graduates. Thanks for any input. Carolyn ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:22:43 -0500 From: "Philip C Hart" Subject: DBUG> re: Farewell DBUG After joining the new forum, I posted this to it: I'd just like to add my thanks to the folks in Avon for starting this forum. As a repository for information that is repeated over and over on the DBUG list or continually emailed out from tech support, this will be a big help. I have never participated in this type of forum - only email listserves - so I don't have experience with the strengths and weaknesses of the differing formats. It will be interesting to see how things "shake out" between this forum and the DBUG list. My hope is that the two will be complimentary and that the DBUG list will continue to have the involvement, civility, and energy that has made it such an important resource for the DataCAD community. Philip Hart Stephen Blatt Architects Portland, Maine http://www.sbarchitects.com ******************************* To Access DataCAD Web Links, Go To: http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm New Posts-> datacad-dbug@world.std.com OR http://tinyurl.com/4ywef ------------------------------ End of datacad-dbug-digest V2005 #41 ************************************ For DataCAD Links, Missing Digests, FAQ's tutorials & info, go to http://world.std.com/~eshu/links.htm If you would like to unsubscribe from this digest, please send a message to majordomo@world.std.com and in the BODY of the message write unsubscribe datacad-dbug-digest or send any cries for help to evanshu@comcast.net but please don't send administrative concerns to the main posting addresses. Thank you.

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